Saturday, October 15, 2005

Haughty, Haughty, Haughty



Theologians have their place. I am not at all sure where it is, but they surely have one.

After all, we need people who can define the minutia of the meanings of God's word for us, the various aspects of the nature of God and how we should apply it to our lives.

We need some folks who can do the work that the Holy Spirit of God cannot do for us, Him being so small and all. We need educated men and women who can keep us straight.

As an example, there are grave mistakes on the part of the "average" Christian with regard to baptism.

(For the purposes of this dissertation, let us asume that we all read the same Bible in one or the other of its various translations and that we have read the related passages. If you haven't, go read them before partaking of this post.)

Some say you cannot be a "good" Christian unless you have been baptised. Others contend that baptism is a part of what actually saves you. Then there are those who see baptism as symbolic, but necessary, while some see it as not really important, but not a bad "religious" thing to do.

Some say infant baptism is valid, others claim it is not.

Some see an imagined "age of accountability," while others seem to think that if you are "raised a Chritian" you must be one, baptism or not.

For the record, here is what I believe:

Baptism does not save. Baptism is an ordinance. Baptism is a testimony to what God has done in one's life through Christ. Baptism is a "reinactment" by a Christian of Christ's death, burial and resurrection (in infant baptism, and/or sprinkling, where is the burial part?). Baptism is a "should be done," not a "must be done." (For the unititiated, those are deep theological phrases.) The proper form of baptism is imersian, because that is how Jesus was baptised (I know...I saw it in a picture.) Other forms may serve as memorials, but don't call them "baptism."

That is my story, and I'm sticking with it. I'm 63 years old, have studied God's word every day for 45 of those years and am not about to change my mind. (Don't bother quoting scripture verses to me, I have already read them. )

If you do not hold to my view, you are abviously missing something. Certainly someone as smart as you can see that I'm right.

But it's OK. This is America. You have the right to be wrong.

Fortunately, we have theologians to set us straight.

Right.

There are as many "theological" points of view as there are theologs to hold them.

As a theologian, you can be a St. Augustianian, you can be a Spurgeanite, you can be a Calvanist, you can be a Lutheranite, or even a Benny Hennian...well, you get the idea.

The problem arises when we discover that each school vigorously defends its own postition, and discussions with them result in confusion and sometimes even anger.

So how does that relate to the unity among His followers for which Christ prayed in John 17?

Now what I am about to say is designed to incite.

My experience with "theologians" has not been good. They almost always at least border on arrogance. They accept viewpoints only from other "theologians." Having "studied" theology, they know the answers and the rest of us don't.

Theologians see themselves as having insights that most of us don't. Nevermind that they were "taught" their theology by someone who had the same approach.

Theologians are universally defensive.

While I have met some theologians who were wildly liberal in their social viewpoints. I have met some theololgians who were ultra-conservative. I have never met one who said, "You know...you're right. I had never considered that before. Now I need to adjust my thinking."

But they all want me to adopt their line of thinking (Truth be known, they don't give a running flip what I think.)

So. If you are a self-proclaimed theologian, you are probably steamed by now. Pity.

And now, in violation of my own rules about quoting scripture (but this is my blog...I can violate my own rules if I want to [he said, haughtily]), are some verses of interest.

Pr 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Pr 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.

Pr 21:24 Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.

Isa 10:33 Behold, the Lord, the LORD of hosts, shall lop the bough with terror: and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled.

I like that last one...don't you?

UPDATE 1

Related topic: OK, folks, read what is really being said in my post...don't be mislead by the tongue in my cheek.


UPDATE 2
Related Topic: Harriet Miers: If she is confirmed, Bush wins. If she is not confirmed, the next nominee will be a shoe-in, Bush wins. Either way.....

I think the majority of the opposition on the grounds that she "is not qualified" are idiots. All of them. Read the Constitution. She is qualified.

17 comments:

Shelley L. MacKenzie said...

Hear,hear! Great post Joe!

~Suzii~ said...

Hmmm... thinkin.

Rose~ said...

People of all sorts can have this problem (quoting you):

I have never met one [theologian] who said, "You know...you're right. I had never considered that before. Now I need to adjust my thinking."

but you said: "I'm 63 years old, have studied God's word every day for 45 of those years and am not about to change my mind."

So are you a theologian? ;~)

Great post!

Joe said...

rose: Aren't we all? And, yep, I have my own arrogance and haughtyness.

Dyed in the wool.

Stiff-necked.

A theolog of the first order...that's me.

But I will never admit it.

Good thing I have a Savior in Jesus, isn't it?

Nettie said...

My problem has always been that most theologians seem to think you have to agree with every detail of their position. Having said that. most of the biblical teachers I've respected wouldn't call themselves theologians. Maybe it's in the label.

Joe said...

Nettie: You got it right!
Many Bible teachers are not theologians in the classical sense.
Many preachers are not theologians in the classical sense.
The classical theologian is often a scholaristic eletist.

Anonymous said...

Joe,
I agree totally with you on baptism, and I've only been studying the Bible for a little over 20 years.
I accept no teaching that the Holy Spirit doesn't witness to in my spirit, but I'm sure they would say the same thing.
One God, one way to be saved, and one way to achieve unity in the Body-by surrendering to the Holy Spirit.
So, how do we wise humans get it so complicated? So, I believe how I feel is right, they believe how they feel is right, all God's children believe how they feel is right, and God just shakes His head and chuckles.
I'm sure we provide much amusement for the Lord. Somehow, He's gonna bring all this trivial garbage in line so that we can be in one accord, but it surpasses my poor brain how He's gonna do it. Guess that's why He's God, and I'm not!
Joe, you're hurting my head with all this heavy stuff, hehe! Just kidding. Great post. Thanks.

J. Wendell said...

I agree with Nettie about respected biblical teachers. Good post, Joe.

John R. said...

Joe,

I appreciate you tolerance. Unless you DISAGREE with someone, how can you tolerate them? And if anyone needs tolerance shown to them, it is theologians. If anyone needs more tolerance shown to them, it is those who listen to theologians.

Sadly, good theologians will be necessary until the knowledge of God covers the earth as the waters cover the seas...

May we all keep student attitudes when it comes to Scripture.

JRush

mark pierson said...

Joe,

I like your style!

I'm sorry that you didn't here that the Holy Spirit went into retirement and is no longer Teaching or leading and guiding Christians into all truth. :-)

While we can go to extreme and ignore completely the works of so called scholars we must also return to dependence upon the Spirit to lead us as we look to Him as helpless children. That's what He is there for.

You have bold and good insights in my 'umble opinion.

Anonymous said...

Great Post Joe, I totally agree with you on all points!

Danny Sims said...

I agree with you. Which is a good thing, since you have to agree with me to be saved.

:)

Joe said...

Danny: That's one of those II Hezekiah 4:12 things.

bluecollar: I knew He had that IRA for something.

john rush: Intolerance is one thing I can tolerate...it's the tolerance that I have trouble tolerating...or maybe it's the other way around.

john: part of the problem is we keep feeling instead of thinking.

Carla Rolfe said...

Joe,

re: arrogant, self-professed theologians...

Oh my word, do I have stories.

You know, for me... one of the hardest things to do when it comes to someone who is arrogant, is 1.) listen to them (even if what they say is accurate, I become blinded by the way they are saying it, and 2.) respect them.

Arrogance thrives on attention, and the more of it given, the bigger the ego becomes, i.e., "I'm smart, well liked, and right, because X amount of people read me/link to me/email me." As my grandma would say, that amount of attention causes many Christians to become too big for their own britches.

Pride is a whopper, and will sneak in when you least expect it. I wish more of these men (and yes, the arrogant theologians I know are men, the lady theologians don't seem to fit into this category, for some reason) would spend more time considering what pride does to the witness for Christ, and take it SERIOUSLY, not just preach about it, as it affects others (usually with a small, token insert along the lines of "oh yes beloved, I battle it too!").

So there ya go - my 2 cents.

SDG ~ Carla

Anonymous said...

Kudos Joe. This was an excellent post.

I agree with you about baptism. When in doubt, refer to the Bible. ;)

I've said this before and I'll say it again. This, re: infant baptism. First, there is nothing in the Bible to support this 'age of accountability' doctrine we've come up with.

In general, I think we tend to 'make up' doctrine so we can *feel* better about God. We certainly don't like to think of infants/children going to hell, so we created age of accountability. Unfortunately, it's not scriptural.

I think about the theologians in the same way I think about those with the gift of prophecy. Sometimes, they tend to be arrogant, as you said. I think they, like prophets, need to develop more of a teachable spirit.

None of us has it totally right.

Kris said...

Great post Joe.
I made a few comments several weeks back on my site about the scribes of the pharisees & "higher education" of today. The danger and weakness I have is having an attitude of a pharisee toward a pharisee.

Yeah... I like to eat from the tree of knowledge to figure out good and evil, but its only the Holy Spirit that can lead me into the Truth, which is Christ Himself.

Once again very, very good post.

Daniel said...

Excellent post Joe!

I admire any person who comes to a theological position through studying the word of God daily. I likewise pity the person who comes to his or her theology through studying "Theology" and consulting scripture only to verify that the proof texts could be made to say what the theologian insists they say.

A Sagely post indeed.